Jennie Lakenan: Podcast Interview w/ Kaelynn
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Jennie Lakenan: Long story short, I got those first few paying clients, and then four months later, my husband quit his job because we just felt like the time was right. And that first year, I made, like, $130,000 in my agency, which is crazy to say. But, like, it just, it just was the right time and the right place.
I made as much money, like, top-line revenue as my husband did at his day job. And, and, and the Spirit was just like, "You need to consider this." Like, "You need to consider him quitting now."
Speaker View-1: I'm so excited and honored to have Jenny Lakinnan on the podcast, who is a website designer and the owner of a web design agency, and has designed websites for big-name coaches who you would absolutely recognize the name of. And Jenny will talk about that on the show today. Part of the reason why I was so excited to have Jenny, [00:01:00] besides her amazing expertise and experience as a business owner, is that Jenny's the primary breadwinner in her family.
She is working full time. Her husband is staying home full time and even homeschooling their kids, which I think is so cool. And we had a great, super interesting discussion about our understandings of The Family Proclamation and how sometimes we need to be a little bit more flexible about how we interpret the proclamation, and give ourselves a little bit more room for revelation, and alternative ways that families can look and still have super successful businesses and amazing success in marriage and with kids.
So I really appreciated Jenny's perspective on this. Let's dive in
Kaelynn Priest: You're working full time. doing all of the, the things.
Jennie Lakenan: Yep. He homeschools and cooks and does laundry and keeps our house running. Every, literally everything else. Makes me breakfast, like
Kaelynn Priest: We have to talk about this. Because that's like, [00:02:00] hallelujah. This is so refreshing to hear, that it's possible for this to happen. You know, I don't know how many ladies listening to this are hoping to be the primary breadwinner, but I do think there's so much we can learn from you about letting go of some of the things, of some of the expectations we may have had for ourselves about, oh, is it okay if I work?
Like, I know I had extreme, maybe not extreme, I had some mom guilt when I started working on my business, and I was actually thinking about this this morning. I had a, when I was a, a teenager, my aunt went back to work, and was actually a professor at BYU, and my uncle stayed home with the kids. And I remember as like, I was probably a teenager, being like, "Oh, is so different."
Like, wrap, trying to wrap my brain around that, and now I just kind of look back at that and laugh how that was so weird for me. But first tell me your experience of becoming the primary breadwinner. Was that your game plan from the [00:03:00] beginning? Walk us through that journey.
Jennie Lakenan: Yeah, that's a good question. So When we started out, I graduated with my bachelor's degree. We moved back here. I had my baby, my first baby, and then my husband worked for the first, you know, I don't know how many years that was, four years of our marriage.
But we always had this craving to, like, be a work from home family and have, like, a, that kind of lifestyle freedom, you know? And we thought it would be him working up, like, a side hustle to something full-time so that he could quit his job, and he was just working too hard for that. Like, he was working for a family business.
Like, my... He was working for my brother, which was a family business, so he was... And he's a, he's a super hard worker, so he was working, like, 60, 70-hour weeks at this business, and he just didn't have time and energy when he got back home to, like, work on anything else. And for a long time, I felt like... Not a long time.
For a short period, I felt resentment about that. I was like, you know, which is so unfair, but I was just feeling... I just [00:04:00] disappointed, really. Underneath the resentment was, like, the, "Oh, I just really want to make this happen," and I don't... I felt kind of helpless. Like, how do I, how do I help achieve this kind of life that we want?
And then I found life coaching through Jodi Moore, who, I don't know if you've heard of Jodi Moore, but I know lots of, lots of people in Utah listen to her podcast. And,
Kaelynn Priest: Yes
Jennie Lakenan: and, and I started listening to this, and I just realized, like, who better than me to, like- achieve this for our family, you know? Who better than me to figure out how this can happen?
And, and I thought, "I'm gonna be a life coach." Like, I had this ... I mean, it, it really was a moment, right? Where sometimes we get those lightning bolt moments where we're like... I was standing doing dishes and, like, listening to a coaching podcast, and I was like, "Oh my gosh, this is my career. I'm gonna be a life coach.
Like, that's gonna be my thing." And James walks in the kitchen, like, a few minutes later, and I look at him. I'm like, "I'm gonna be a life coach." And he was like, "All right, great. Cool. Like, what's..." Bless him. And so I spent, uh, like, for a few months I was trying to figure out, okay, how am I gonna [00:05:00] pay for life coaching certification, you know?
And, uh, we were making, like, 40 grand a year, so there was no way I was gonna be able to pay for the certification that I wanted, and out of that money. So I was looking for a way to, like, kind of make money on the side, and meanwhile, I was talking to as many coaches as would give me the time of day.
I would, like, sign up for free coaching on the internet, and then at the end ask for, like, a five-minute experiential interview. Like, "What can I do to prepare to get certified the way you have?" And, and they were... So many of them were sweet and gave me the time of day, and what I just started to realize, uh, through those conversations was, like, oh my gosh, these coaches either don't have a website or their website does not represent them well at all.
And that's a problem. I mean, that's what we do as entrepreneurs, right? We see a problem that needs to be solved, and we figure out how to solve it. And so I thought, okay, great. I'm gonna offer one of these coaches a free website, like, as a service trade in exchange for coaching. Maybe this... But just as a test, because maybe this can be how I, like, earn my money to get certified, and then [00:06:00] I can be a life coach after that.
Well, long story short, I did that. The clie- the coach loved it. I spent a few months struggling to get more coaching, or more website clients. Finally did. In the middle of that, f- I, like, hired a business coach to help me, you know, get more clients, and then had to... she had to fire me 'cause I couldn't pay my second month 'cause I didn't have any clients.
Kaelynn Priest: Oh my gosh.
Jennie Lakenan: and then finally, around, like... I know. It was just this crazy
Kaelynn Priest: love
Jennie Lakenan: entrepreneurship- It was, well, it was so discouraging too, 'cause when she fired, like, she was so sweet, you know? She, but she, she let, she let me know, "Hey, your payment bounced, so we're gonna, you know, we're gonna be done now, and I wish you the best of luck, and here's what you should do moving forward."
And, and I went and I sat down on my couch, and I just felt so much, like, discouragement and shame, you know, around that, and just... And it was like, "Ugh, do I even keep going? Do I keep trying? I'm just this stay-at-home mom, like, with my two little kids." And, and I just had this, the Spirit was [00:07:00] just like, "No. Like, you're gonna keep going, Jenny, because you're not gonna be satisfied with anything else."
And I don't often get, like, quotes in my head from Heavenly Father, but that was a moment where it was like, "Oh, okay. You're right." And then I shifted from discouragement and shame into, like, just determination and resolve, and which those emotions don't necessarily feel very good, but they drive good action, you know?
And so, I, I got to work. I wrote some systems down of, okay, when I sign a client, this is how I'm gonna help them. And, you know, we're gonna take them through these stages of building their website and designing it and everything. And that give, gave me some, like, internal confidence around my ability to provide a good experience.
And then from that, I was able to market better, and I basically, like, w- emailed 25 coaches that I had talked to either IRL or, like, online over the last six months. And one of them replied and was like, "Oh, yeah, I'd really like to talk to you about a website." And she was my [00:08:00] first client, and I signed two clients that week after it had been, like, you know, three months of just trying and struggling and, anyway, so basically, long story short, I paid those few, or I, I charged ... Long story short, I got those first few paying clients, and then four months later, my husband quit his job because we just felt like the time was right. And that first year, I made, like, $130,000 in my agency, which is crazy to say. But, like, it just, it just was the right time and the right place.
And, and I still certified as a life coach, but by the time I did that, it was like, "Oh my gosh, I love this business so much. Like, I love building websites. Like, why would I burn that down and build a coaching business when I love this so much?" And I do use the coaching skills all the time in my, in my business, but I don't have a coaching business.
It's on its own, you know?
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah. So [00:09:00] basically, I'll say the words for you. You qui- your husband quit your job 'cause you were flooded with clients
Jennie Lakenan: S- well, not quite. It was, what had happened was, like, I got client after client that first few months of the business after signing the first two, you know, in December. February came around, like, kind of end of February, and, uh, I started getting inquiries from the client, clients of the tier that I was like, "Okay, this client is, like, a big enough deal that I cannot serve them well if I'm, like, trying to build a homepage in between, like, changing diapers and getting my kids lunch."
Like, I'm just... It's... That's not gonna be smart. And I had had my first month where I made as much money, like, top-line revenue as my husband did at his day job. And, and, and the Spirit was just like, "You need to consider this." Like, "You need to consider him quitting now." We had intended to wait a year to make sure, like, things would be steady and we could [00:10:00] keep making money.
And so we called our, our home teacher, you know, now it's ministering brother. But we called him, and he was a small business attorney. And so we, like, went to his house, and we w- we wanted him to give us blessing, like, priesthood blessings just of guidance and, and he counseled with us before he gave us the blessings of just like, "Hey, you know, yeah, normally, like, you would wanna wait a year.
But also, like, if the Spirit tells you something's right, if the... When Heavenly Father tells you to do something, like, you do it." And so he gave us the blessings, and the, the answer that we felt in our heart was very much like the decision had already been made. It was just a guidance, and, like, we were just feeling, like, guidance and next steps of what to keep in mind as we made this decision.
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah
Jennie Lakenan: so he gave notice, and two weeks later, he was home full-time, and I still remember him walking up the steps of our, like, tiny little split-level house, and the girls just being like, "Ah, Dad." And, like, I videoed that moment 'cause it was [00:11:00] like, we wanna be able to look back on this and just dwell on, like, how far we've come.
Kaelynn Priest: Wow. How crazy. Do you feel like your first clients... Do you feel like your, your first original clients, first of all, I love that you, you did the grind. Like, y- you were cold emailing people, reaching out to people, you know, leveraging relationships, asking for referrals, I'm sure. Do you feel like your first clients, was it, did it feel like... I almost think of like a train, like how much energy is required to get it going, and then once it gets going, it goes faster and faster on its own. me through some of the things that you did in the beginning to get the train moving, or did you feel like people were just coming through referrals and word of mouth?
How much of it was because of your own marketing versus being in an amazing community where people are referring you?
Jennie Lakenan: Oh, it was 100% the latter. Yeah. Those first few months after I built [00:12:00] the, like, free trade website just as the experiment and before I got paying clients, so I built that website in Se- September, and then I got my few paying client, first few paying clients in Dec- in December, and that fall was just, like, the river of misery.
I mean, it, I, it was so awful. I was like, like in the coaching world, we use the term buffering when you're, like, taking action that's not actually related to what you need to be taking action on 'cause you're trying to avoid doing the hard thing.
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah
Jennie Lakenan: And I was doing that. I was, like, writing a social media post, and I was redesigning my own website, and I was spinning and, and just not taking productive action 'cause I was...
I just didn't know. Like, I didn't know how to market. I didn't know, I didn't, I didn't know what I needed to do. And so, Yeah, it was not, like, a fun time, but I- what I relied on so mu- during that period, that was the fall that Michelle Craig gave the divine discontent talk. I don't know if you remember that one, but I love that talk.
I [00:13:00] could quote so many parts of it because it was just what I needed to hear, you know? Like, the... And one thing that she said, she said, "What you have to offer is more than enough, even with your human frailties and weaknesses, if you rely on God's grace," bas- basically that's what she said. And I was like, "Okay,
Kaelynn Priest: Wow
Jennie Lakenan: I can do this."
And, and she even uses the, the quote from C.S. Lewis where he talks about how, you know, Heavenly Father's, like, wants to rebuild you as a house. Like, He- He's coming in, He's not... Like, at first you think, oh, He's just fixing up the pipes or doing things that you knew the house needed, but then He starts really knocking things down, and walls and it, and it hurts.
It hurts so much. But that's because, like, you thought He just was gonna make you into this pretty little cottage, but He comes to build a palace, and He wants to, you know, dwell there Himself. And I just, oh man, like, that, that was what it was because it, it, I just needed that [00:14:00] growth and that, that striving and, and, like, if someone is listening and they're in that phase right now, like, I feel you and it can feel so hard, but also it's such a...
Like, I look back on that now and I'm like, that was such precious time. Like, I'm so... Like, sacred time, you know? And I, I, I'm so grateful that I went through that because it shaped me into who I am now to deal with the things that come up now in, in those moments, uh, 'cause it's still, there's still stuff like that that happens.
Yeah, I don't know if that answers your question, Bridget, but-
Kaelynn Priest: My first question is, so how many years ago was that when your husband quit?
Jennie Lakenan: Uh, he, so that fall was 2018, and then he quit in the spring of '19.
Kaelynn Priest: So cool. Do you
Jennie Lakenan: Yeah
Kaelynn Priest: like okay, I wanna go back to what you were just saying about how this, uh, the renovation continues. It doesn't really end. Does that feel true for you? Does your, does your business feel like a well-oiled machine, or are there still kinks and bumps in [00:15:00] the road?
Jennie Lakenan: Oh my gosh. I was thinking about this when I was listening to one of your recent guests who has the, like, CPA business, and I just so appreciated her authenticity, 'cause I, I'm like, yeah, it absolutely still feels that way. There are certain parts that are a well-oiled machine. Like, we are very process-driven.
We have just this amazing process for actually, like, building the website and, and getting it right, but the, the marketing has changed so much in the last year or two.
Kaelynn Priest: Mm.
Jennie Lakenan: I w- I was just talking with somebody else before this, a, a friend of mine who is in the, like, software development space, and we have a lot of overlap in kind of what we do because, you know, we're not building technical software apps like he is, but websites are definitely perceived by people as being, like, in that in that realm of technical s- stuff that now they can do with AI.
And there's,
like, just disruption. Yet they think they can.
Kaelynn Priest: Mm-hmm.
Jennie Lakenan: so, like, over the last year or so... And I think for a lot of small businesses it's been a, it's just been a [00:16:00] struggle. Economically, things have shifted.
Kaelynn Priest: Yep
Jennie Lakenan: You have to... I mean, you've talked about this in your own marketing or in your own content, like things just changed for you, and hence this pivot.
And that stinks when you've got something working and then all of a sudden it doesn't work anymore, and you're like, "Okay, great. What are we gonna do now? How are we gonna pay the bills?" Like, how do we still keep helping people that need our help? How do we connect with them? And so for me, it's been investing a lot in marketing and in, like, like YouTube.
I've put so much effort into my YouTube channel over the last six months, and that has been so... Well, and it's been so good for me as, like, a human just to, I have to get better at my craft. I have to, like, g- explain it better and, and think about, how can I put these concepts together in a way that's gonna be useful for people and help them learn something and also help them see the value in working with me?
So it's all good stuff. But yeah, it's definitely been, like, a messy [00:17:00] last year or so of like, all right, this is just the way things are now, so what do I wanna, who do I wanna be in this moment to address it?
Kaelynn Priest: Love that question. Yeah, okay, I'm glad you brought this up, 'cause I was curious. I, I was curious if you've... I'm sure you've experienced the effects of AI on your clientele and all the things, but feel like... What do you feel like you're learning? I was actually listening to a podcast yesterday that it kinda said, like, all of us for the past year and probably the next year or two are, we're all living on borrowed time, 'cause we are figuring out on a daily basis how to navigate these changes, and that was very validating for me.
It was like, okay, I'm not crazy. This is real, and we don't really know what's gonna happen, so the uncertainty of that's kind of unsettling. But what do you feel like you're taking from all of this change with AI and everything else?
Jennie Lakenan: Yeah, well, and like AI is just part of it, right? [00:18:00] It's really more about, like, 'cause all small businesses, this is a very blanket statement, I would say a lot of small businesses have struggled over the last year or so, and not just ones that are in the tech space.
Kaelynn Priest: For sure
Jennie Lakenan: I think what I'm learning is that people want authenticity more than ever.
They want to hear the raw stories, and the wins, and the struggles. And so, like, being willing to share that stuff, which for me is hard, 'cause I've... I mean, it's vulnerable and, and... But being willing to share that and realizing, oh, that helps people so much. Like, like for example, I used to struggle with driving anxiety, and a couple years ago, like, I didn't drive for, like, a decade.
My husband just drove me everywhere. I c- I used to joke that, like, I, I retired him so that he could be my chauffeur.
Kaelynn Priest: He's your driver.
Jennie Lakenan: Yeah. But a, a couple of years ago, I just started to see the burden that it was on him, and also just that it was a, it was just [00:19:00] time, you know? It was time to, like, overcome this, this struggle.
So I, you know, I, I went through that. And I, but I've been talking about that in my content over the last year or so, and at first I was kind of scared too, 'cause I thought people would judge me for being, "Why are you anxious about driving? Like, that's so, so wimpy." But then I started to see, like, oh no, people really appreciate when I talk about it, because it helps them feel validated in the struggles that they have.
And when I can tie it to business, like, like, it helps them so much, because what I did to overcome it was to basically I made, like, a protocol for myself. You know how kind of people h- who have OCD have, like, an OCD protocol where they need to, you know, take one small step to, like, ad- confront their OCD?
And that's basically what I did. I was like, "All right, day one, I just gotta get in the car, and buckle my seatbelt, and adjust all the mirrors, and turn the car on, and then I'm gonna turn the car off and I'm gonna get out again." And day two, I'm gonna back out of the garage, and then I'm gonna pull in again.
And I just literal- but I had to do something every day [00:20:00] that would sort of, you know, take me to the path of being able to drive on the highway and go the places that I needed to go by myself. And when I can tie that to business, it's like, hey, you don't have to take this huge leap today. You just need to take, like, a next, take a next step.
And and people really appreciate that. So I think th- sharing your kind of vulnerable moments and your stories, and just being a real person, being a real person on the internet, people really appreciate that
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah. And really matters right now more than ever. You know, it was important before to be authentic, and now it's like the p- the most authentic person wins in 2026
because AI can't replicate that
Jennie Lakenan: Exactly, yeah. And of course, like, we don't do it to be, to get clients from it. Like, we don't, we don't, w- we need to do it genuinely, but it is a way to really h- [00:21:00] help people, and to grow your audience, and to just be, yeah, be a real human on the internet
Kaelynn Priest: And I think for me it brings it back to, you know, in, in past generations probably someone has, has, has probably said that, you know, sales is scammy or sleazy or takes advantage of people, and I really like what t- the 2026 era, I'm, I don't even know, that's what we're gonna call it for our purposes today, is forcing us to do because it's like, it's It brings the, the heart and the soul of what we're, how we're trying to help people back instead of just, "I'm just selling to make a buck." It's like, "No, I really genuinely know that I can help you with my craft, with my service, and connecting with you as a real human." Like, I think all the time when I read about charity in the Book of Mormon, like, I, I will probably make a post about this someday.
I haven't yet, but it's like for me, my business is a way for [00:22:00] me to extend charity to the world. It's a way for me to extend love to the world because, yes, I am gonna help you. Yes, I am going to ask for an exchange for my time and effort in return for the value and the benefit that you receive, it feels really good to me.
It feels soulful. It feels heartfelt. It feels wholehearted. It feels like it's brought me back to yeah, I guess the heart and soul behind why I'm doing this in the first place, and I hope that that comes through in my marketing, right?
Jennie Lakenan: Mm-hmm. Exactly, yeah. Because when your clients f- can feel that you really care about them and what you care about what they care about, and you're not just here to make a buck, like you said, like, not only does that help them want to work with you more, but it, it fills your soul. You
know? And I [00:23:00] ha- I had a client e- respond to an email that I sent him this week, 'cause he, he's just gone through a lot over the last few years, and he had, like that kind of period of his life where there was a lot of inner turmoil and stuff with his, personally and with his family, started, like, around the time that we initially built his website a couple of years ago.
And then he's been on a website care plan, so we've, like, been maintaining it the last few years, and recently made some changes. And, and after this recent call that we had about these changes that we were making, one of the things he, we decided he needed to do was get some new photos taken, 'cause he's grown this, like, beautiful big beard, and, like, that needs to be in your new photos.
Anyway, so after the call I thought, "You know, why don't I just go online real quick, and I'm just gonna search and see if there are any photographers, brand photographers near him that have that aesthetic, and just send him a few options." Like, that's... Because I just, this is something that's easy for me to do.
It's gonna save him a lot of time, and it's gonna help, like, move the, the project forward more. And, and I just, I just care about him, you know? And so I, I went online and I did that, and I sent it to [00:24:00] him, and then he replied with this really sweet email where he said, "Oh my gosh, I connected with one of those photographers and we have a ton in common, and, like, thank you for that.
And also, I just appreciate, I feel so cared about by you, and, and supported by you, you know, through all of this that we, I've been through over the last few years with my life and in my business." And I was just like, "Oh my gosh," like, this is the kind of thing that makes me just wanna keep doing this for just the rest of my life, like 'cause I love the connection that I get to make with people and the long-term support that I get to be with them.
And, and I think that even if I didn't do web design anymore, I would still wanna have some kind of business where I can be that, like on- ongoing, have an ongoing relationship, you know, versus,
like, an e-commerce thing, like, you know, you've done. So
Kaelynn Priest: Ja
Jennie Lakenan: it's just a beautiful thing.
Kaelynn Priest: I was gonna ask you if you... you're in a unique position, kind of like a consultant, where you're working with business owners and you're getting a behind-the-scenes peek at what's going on in their [00:25:00] business, about what's working really well and what's not. I was curious if, you know, if you were to take, like, a sample from your current clients, like, what are you seeing in the market today that's either not working very well or that is working really well?
Jennie Lakenan: That's a good question. I definitely, like, don't want this to be a negative sounding kind of an answer, so maybe you can edit it if it needs to be edited. But I was, I was... Again, I had this call earlier today with a, a technical friend, and then a few weeks ago I had a chat with my an online business coach who isn't a client of mine, but he's been around for...
We're friends, and he's been around for, like, couple of decades almost, and done many different kinds of businesses on- online. And I just wanted to ask him, like, "What are you seeing? What's different now than it was five years ago?" And he, and we both agreed and we're like, it's, things are harder now than they used to be.
You need to market more. You need to be on more, like, being on just one [00:26:00] channel, like a YouTube channel or an Instagram or, you know, in one place, it's not really enough anymore if you wanna grow, like, if you wanna be a really robust business. And I just have seen that play out again and again. So, like, the clients of mine that, you know, they, their husband is pretty much the breadwinner or they've got other ways, or they've got a day job, you know, they've got other ways of making money, and the coaching business is kind of like a side thing, they're the ones that I see often deciding, like, "Hmm, I'm just gonna put this to bed."
You know, like, "I've done it for a while. It was really rewarding while I did it. Now it's just gotten a lot harder to get clients and make money, and it just, just feasibly doesn't make sense anymore." And then I have clients that have been in business a long time. Maybe it's their full-time thing. They're very savvy.
They, they're great kind of businesspeople, and they're doubling down. They're like, "Nope, we're gonna hire the new ads company to try something different. We're gonna go into SEO or we're gonna go into GEO," you know, which I've been learning more about. That's, like, AI search [00:27:00] optimization. They're, they're doubling down.
So I really think that, like, that's not just for coaching. I think it's in lots of businesses where we're all kind of seeing a shift in the economy for whatever reason, and either we're here for it or we're not, and that's no judgment if you're not. Like, it's just, yeah, it's, it's a great time to be alive.
I think, I think we're gonna come out the end of it better people, better marketers, better service providers because we've got to be, and it's gonna be a good thing, like, net.
Kaelynn Priest: I love that perspective, and I think about this all the time too. Like, you believe that God is an abundant God, it's not that... You know, I, I agree with you. I'm glad you said what you said 'cause I don't wanna be the only one saying it. Like, business is harder. Things have shifted. Before, you know, five years ago, let's say in 2021, which is kinda when I started like, you could not know what you're doing and do pretty, and do pretty well. What- now there's... I just... There's so much [00:28:00] saturation. There- I don't like to talk about competition 'cause I don't really believe in competition, but there is something to be said about saturation and a lot of options for people to choose from. They are generally going to choose from the one that has the most established clientele, that has the most reputation, that has an authority story to tell that's pretty convincing that can make you trust them. So not to say that if you're just getting started, you're behind. That's not the case. But I do think that is an abundant God. He's not just going to, like, stifle us and make it so that no one can make it anymore. I think it's going to look like reallocating, where, you know, in the online business boom of 2018, '19, 2021, there was a lot to be gained from being online and making a course, and selling a course, and that's great.
Where now I can pretty much get any information I want from AI instead of buying a course. And so where are, where are the economics of that reallocating? And I'm kind of [00:29:00] seeing it come back to, like, community. Like, I was talking to a friend I have a couple friends actually now who are making a couple thousand dollars a month selling cookies on their porch. Like,
I don't know if, I don't know if we were doing that in 2018, right? And a friend who, I'm trying to think of another good example. A friend that sells sourdough at the farmer's market and sells out every single week, and a little neighbor kid that walks around our neighborhood and puts out garbage cans for $3 a week, and has all of us on a subscription, and it's the best thing ever. Right? So it's like, it's kinda like where there was a season where being visible to the entire world was the way to make an income, and now it's kind of like being known to a community and having actual real people that you serve, is like we're kind of like s- the pendulum swinging back the opposite direction.
So I just want people to hear that and not feel super discouraged about, like, it's, it's hard, you can't do it, right? But I do think it's true. I just think it might look [00:30:00] like being a little bit creative and finding local needs that you
Jennie Lakenan: Yeah
Kaelynn Priest: And I was talking to a, a guy who was in the tech space left his tech sales job 'cause things were not going very well, and now he washes windows of, for residential windows.
Jennie Lakenan: Oh, I bet
he does, he does well with that. I've heard
that that is really good.
Kaelynn Priest: Isn't that interesting? It's like
Jennie Lakenan: Yeah
Kaelynn Priest: w- the, just the economy is reallocating. And I al- I kind of referenced this podcast I was listening to yesterday that, that helped me, like, this the need to adjust and be light on your feet is never going to end. So, like, can, we're gonna find our footing again, and then things are probably gonna change again, and that's just part of the fun,
Jennie Lakenan: Yes
Kaelynn Priest: part of owning a business.
We don't need to be frustrated about it or surprised. can
just be like, "Oh, okay, this has happened before. What am I
Jennie Lakenan: Yeah
Kaelynn Priest: [00:31:00] And for me, this is when I go to my knees, 'cause I don't really know what to
do a
Jennie Lakenan: Yes. Yes. Yeah, and the, well, and the scripture that comes to mind as you say that i- is one I relied on so much when I first was getting the ball rolling, and that now I am r- l- thinking about a lot again is, is in 1 Nephi when Nephi is building the boat, and he's like... A- and I think about that so much because Nephi had no idea how to build a boat.
He wasn't, like, a shipbuilder. He wasn't a carpenter. I mean, we don't, I don't know exactly what he was, but I'm pretty sure he wasn't a carpenter. And just like I didn't know how to build a business, and just like every day now, I'm, like, waking up, waking up thinking, "Okay, should I market the way that I am today, or should I do something else?"
But he didn't let that stop them, and he also didn't demand to see the whole picture or the whole blueprint of the ship. He just said, "Okay." He had enough faith to say, "Okay, Heavenly Father, I don't know how to build a ship, but I know that I'm gonna need some tools. So where should I go to find tools Yes or where should I go to [00:32:00] find ore to make the tools?"
Kaelynn Priest: Yes
Jennie Lakenan: just asked the next step. And then Heavenly Father, it says, you know, He gave him kind of line upon line he ne- as he needed more inspiration and direction, and I just think that's so applicable for really anything in our lives that we're going through, but especially in business.
When you feel like you have no idea what you're doing, just remember Nephi. Just take the next best step. Pray about the next step because Heavenly Father wants to open those windows. Yeah
to open the doors and give us the answers and build our faith and, and He loves us so much.
Kaelynn Priest: I wanted to ask you about running an agency. Can you tell us a little bit about what your team looks like and what you love about having a team?
Jennie Lakenan: Yeah. So, I'm the only employee, but I've got about a dozen different contractors. Some are based in the States, some are based overseas in the Philippines or in India. And I, I love it. My Philippines team and I are kind of the core, like, day to day, and we meet once a week and, you know, have team meetings.
We're planning a team retreat next year in the [00:33:00] Philippines, which I'm super excited about. Yeah, like, I mean, we have a ... Some of my team has worked with me for, like, eight years, I mean, almost since the beginning, and we've never met in real life, but we are so close, you know. So, and then the, the s- kind of, sort of stateside Canada team supports mostly the marketing side.
Like, my copywriter is in Canada, and my sort of super technical developer is in the States. And what I love most about, what I really love about having a team is, like, the, the, the systems that we can build together so that we can just have it be super easy for us to deliver the work and super fun for the client to just know that things are humming along and they don't have to worry about it.
So, yeah, I think this was, like, the perfect business model for me and how my brain works, and, and my team comes in. Uh, uh, like, I've never worked for another agency, so I have no idea what it's actually like. But I've realized, oh, that's actually kind of a gift because I've had team members come in [00:34:00] who have worked for other agencies, and they look at our notion and all of our s- systems, and they're like, "You know, you have the systems of, like, a much larger agency."
And I'm like, "Oh, I don't know. I mean, this is just how my brain works." And
Kaelynn Priest: That's so,
cool
Jennie Lakenan: Yeah, it's been, it's been really fun just to build connection and to be able to support each other and have a great place to work, and yeah.
Kaelynn Priest: What did you get your degree in?
Jennie Lakenan: psychologies
Kaelynn Priest: I was like, "I'll bet it's not information systems."
Jennie Lakenan: Nope. It's definitely not. A psychology degree, and then I worked, like, part-time as a developer on the side doing, like, Python work at one point when my oldest was just a baby. And I did it long enough to realize, like, oh, I really don't like, like, back-end development and databases and stuff like that.
That is not my speed. I like making it pretty. I like the front end. So, once I started this agency, I was like, all right, we're using WordPress 'cause it gives us the [00:35:00] flexibility we need, and it's still very easy to use, and even for the client, you know, it's so easy for them to, like, edit, so.
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah. Is WordPress your core platform?
Jennie Lakenan: Yeah. Yeah. We're, we do WordPress design and development, and I'm StoryBrand certified too, so, you know, the messaging and the marketing piece is definitely, like, that's what people really appreciate.
Um, because, you know, you can build a website with AI for sure. Is it a great website? Mm. But you can do it.
What's hard though still is the, the messaging and the, the, the business development piece. And so that's always the part that we start with.
Kaelynn Priest: Exactly. And I'll say, you know, from... I, I don't also have a background in copywriting except for all the copy that I've written
Jennie Lakenan: Yes.
Kaelynn Priest: the last 10 years. But, like, uh, I am not finding AI to create really good copy yet. I'm sure it will, but there's a huge need there. And, you know, for anyone who's writing copy using AI, we love you, but we can tell.[00:36:00]
Jennie Lakenan: Yes, for sure. Yeah, you, uh, it's like you have to be a copywriter to write really great copy with AI. And the same thing is true with websites. Like, you kind of already need to be, like, a designer/developer to make a really great website with AI. To, to the point, I was in a community, I was clicking around in a community yesterday that I'm in of a bunch of different agency owners and, and web developers, and they were talking about, like, what makes...
What's an AI website tell? You know, how can you really see it? And one guy was, he's like, "Oh yeah, our school, our kid's school just launched a new website yesterday, and it's definitely AI generated. I could tell just by how it looked, but then when I looked on the back end, on the code, I could see all these comments and like, 'Oh, Emily said we should change this,' and blah, blah, blah."
And I'm like, oh my gosh, AI,
yeah, it's, it's, uh, not great for, like, development.
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah. It's kinda like, you know, the, the em dash of copy that, you know, the little line, if you don't know what an em dash is, it's the little line that AI will put all over [00:37:00] in your content. It's like an AI-generated website, I don't know how to articulate it, but there's a look. You can... Like, there's a, about the look of it, you can just tell. So with that being said, will you say a little bit about your take on should someone use AI to create a website? Should they hire someone? If so, when? Walk me through your perspective on that.
Jennie Lakenan: Yeah, my thought is that, like, if you're gonna hire somebody to build you a website, y- you'll know it's time, I guess, when, A, you're making money. Like, I think that it's a, it's a good idea to use a template or, you know, just get something kind of minimum viable up and running when you are just getting started.
And if you don't wanna use AI, I mean, I sell templates, that's why I have them. They're really just there for the person that's starting out, and they wanna hire me, and I'm like, "No, you really shouldn't hire me yet 'cause you need to get some, you know, you need to, like, get some clients and make sure that you even like this niche and all of that."
And [00:38:00] then the second thing that helps you know when the time is right is when it start, when the we- when the website that you have now starts costing you clients. And sometimes that can be hard to tell, right? 'Cause if someone comes to your website and they click away, you're not necessarily gonna know, but there will be tells.
Like, for example, I have a, a client that I just started working with who's a speaker. She's a really great speaker. And she, it started, like, missing out on speaking opportunities because of her website, and she, like, an internal, you know, someone in, in the, the corporate company that was maybe considering hiring her would refer her to the decision-maker say, "Oh yeah, she's a really great speaker.
You know, you should consider hiring her." But then the executive or whoever had the purse strings would look her up, and they would tell her like, "Yeah, no, you're not, you're not who we're looking for." And she's like, "Ah, I know I am who you're looking for, but you just can't tell because my online presence is not set up to...
It's set up for you to underestimate me." And that's really when you'll know, like, you'll, you'll start to kind of get [00:39:00] the sense of stuff like that, and that's when you know it's time to really hire somebody who knows what they're doing. When you're just getting started, though, I think a template or, or an AI website that's, you don't spend a lot of time time on, just do it in like a weekend, just get something up and then start marketing, 'cause then you'll know quickly.
Kaelynn Priest: So good. Do you have any other insights that, you know, you're like... I al- I always like to ask people, if you had a megaphone that you could hold up to LDS business owners and say one thing, what would you say?
Jennie Lakenan: Oh, that's such a good question. Looking at my notes to see if there was anything else that I didn't share that I wanted to share
Thankfully, our family situation is different than a lot of people's. Where I work, my husband is at home, he homeschools the kids, does all the things. That's fairly untraditional for an LDS family. Thankfully, like, we haven't ever had a lot of pushback from the community about it because we [00:40:00] don't live in Utah.
Maybe that's terrible to say, and you can edit it out if you want. But, Nope,
I think if we lived in Utah, it might be a... We might get more judgment. I don't know. Maybe not. It probably depends on where we lived. But every- you know, our, our ward community and all that has been always very supportive. I would just say, like, the family proclamation says husband's job is to provide, the wife's job is to, to nurture, and 100% support that, agree with that, and it also says that each individual circumstance is gonna need some adaptation at times.
And so we have always 100% felt very spirit-led in the way that our family is structured, and we've felt like this is so right, and maybe that will change someday. I'm very open to that. If Heavenly Father's like, "Nope, it's time for you to trade places, and James has this great opportunity," or, you know, things are just changing, and I will 100% humble myself and accept that if that is the case.
But I would just say, like, be open to what the [00:41:00] Spirit has for you. Not to say that even if you're considering doing what we're doing and the Spirit leads you to do that, do it. But also, that applies to other things in your life and in your business, where you just need that spiritual direction now more than ever and be open to it, even if it's not like what you've always thought would be
where you would be.
Kaelynn Priest: Do you ever feel like frustrated or at odds with being the p- the full-time working parent? Or does it work pretty well for you?
Jennie Lakenan: It works, it works pretty well for me. I w- I always joke, like, I was a I was, like, a stay-at-home mom in an entrepreneur body, and I w- I, I was kinda miserable. And I'm so grateful that I have this outlet now to really express my creativity and, and I mean, I was l- I literally had, like, cleaning plans, and I polished my fridge every day, and, like, I had all these, like, systems in my house, and I [00:42:00] was just...
I needed something bigger to be able to, like, put that energy into. But I will say there are times, especially, like, when, you know, clients have been slow over the last year, and, you know, I've struggled, where that weight feels, like, heavy, where I'm like, "Ugh, why do I have to be the one that does this?"
Kaelynn Priest: Ja, ja
Jennie Lakenan: Or, "Oh, it would just be so much easier if I could be the stay-at-home parent," or whatever, and that feels really vulnerable to say.
I don't think I've even, like, said that with my husband. It doesn't come up very often, but every once in a while it does, and then I just have to remember, like, "No, really, I want this." I would be really sad if I didn't have this outlet. I actually really love marketing and I love business building, but sometimes it is a challenge.
Yeah, that weight of being the, the breadwinner.
Kaelynn Priest: Ja
Jennie Lakenan: mean, anyone that is the breadwinner knows
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah, exactly. I'm so glad you said that, and I know, you know, I haven't ever been the breadwinner, but I know my husband feels [00:43:00] that all the time. So it's like someone is feeling
Jennie Lakenan: Yeah
Kaelynn Priest: and feel like, what are some of the things that you, some of the arrangements or agreements, if you don't mind me asking, that you have in your marriage with your husband that help sort of keep, I hate the word balance,
but that's the
Jennie Lakenan: There's no such thing as balance really.
Kaelynn Priest: Yes,
Jennie Lakenan: Yeah.
Kaelynn Priest: Like, that help keep the equilibrium in your home. We'll use that word instead.
Jennie Lakenan: That's a good question 'Cause he's just so easy to work with. Like, he's never felt insecurity about me making money or more money than him which is not, it's not a lot of the guys even in my family,
Kaelynn Priest: Sure
Jennie Lakenan: that would be able to do that I mean
I think one sort of unspoken arrangement that we have is that, [00:44:00] you know, like, he doesn't second-guess my business decisions, or even really try to have a much of a say in what they are unless I ask for his opinion. Of course, we make big business decisions together, but, you know, if I come to him and I'm like, "Hey, mm, I think I really need to hire this expensive YouTube strategist because I'm just really not able to, like, keep on top of my YouTube channel on my own.
I really, I don't have time to do it," and he's like, "Oh, okay. Yeah." Like, like, I'm, I'm mostly, like, sharing rather than asking. I'm not, like, asking permission. So I don't think that's ever really something that we, like, sat down at the beginning of the business and decided together was gonna be the way it was.
It's just kind of how it panned out, and I just, I'm so grateful for his trust and his support and his willingness to just, yeah, like, he just doesn't second-guess
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah
Jennie Lakenan: or feel even the need to have a say. And same with me, where if it's, like, something with the kids... Like, we're starting a, we're doing a homeschool co-op for the first time this fall with our kids, and he just kinda was like, "Yeah, I think that [00:45:00] we are gon- should do this."
And I was like, "Cool. I support you guys in that." You know, it was like I try to, I try to stay in my own lane. I'm not as good at it as he is, 'cause sometimes I have opinions about stuff, and I wanna share them. But I think having that kind of separation of, like, we rely on each other, we always consult together, but, like, we also don't feel the need to nitpick the other person or, like, get in their lane without them asking for it or wanting it, and that works well for us.
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah. I have a husband. This sounds a lot like yours, which I'm always like, "I don't know how I would run a business." So I... If for anyone s- who's listening who feels like, "My husband does have things to say and does have pushback," I'm like, "I... Whew. I don't know how to help you." Like, that's... Oh, that's a unique challenge, and I'm, I'm echoing what you say of like I'm really grateful that my husband just, we have mutual trust and respect, and
Jennie Lakenan: Mm-hmm.
Kaelynn Priest: also want the other person to get what they want.
And so, like, yeah. I wanna be... I want you... My husband's... I'm always [00:46:00] like, I wanna invest in a... I don't know. I'm trying to think of a good example. I, I'll... The first time I hired a, like a mindset coach, a life coach, I was like, "I just really, really want this for myself," and it was not inexpensive. he was like, "Yeah, if you want that, I really want you to get that, just like how I want you to be supportive of the things that I want, too."
So that's kind of an agreement that we have. I do wanna come back to talking about the family proclamation, because I, uh... You know, I haven't heard anyone say point-blank like that. The proclamation stops me from doing what I want to do. But I would love... Or for anyone listening who has felt like, "I shouldn't work because the family proclamation says," insert, like, I would love to just like loosen that a little bit. And you s- you started to talk about one of your understandings or takeaways from the proclamation about, know, the, the man's responsibility is to provide, preside, protect, and the [00:47:00] woman's responsibility is to nurture. It doesn't use the word responsibility. I can't think of the exact wording. But it's, those are the, the words, the descriptions used. for Nate and I, he works full-time. I do my part-time thing that I'm doing, whatever that is. we've kind of both decided there are times when my role looks a little bit more like providing and protecting, and there are times when his role looks a little bit more like nurturing. So although we've been given the guidance of those are the things that we should do, we both kind of decided we can share in those roles.
We can't... I can't necessarily pres- preside, 'cause I don't have a priesthood. But everything else we can share in... We can share in the nurturing, and we can share in the providing, and have a little bit more fluidity between the two instead of, like, this hard, clear-cut line.
Jennie Lakenan: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's true. And I would push back even on the priesthood part, 'cause you do have priesthood [00:48:00] authority, and
there are, there are, women who are the, you know, they're single moms, and they do preside, you know? So, but to your point, like, yeah, I think, I mean, in practicality, most marriages are that way, where there is that fluidity where you are sharing roles and, and things change at times.
Ours is fairly unique in where we're, like, solidly, solidly swapped, you know?
Kaelynn Priest: Ja
Jennie Lakenan: and it's, yeah, like, it's not, it's not most people's route that they're gonna go, and I think that's good. Like, I think that the family proclamation is set up the way that it is for a reason. And just be open to what the spirit guides you to do, you know?
That's, that's just gonna be the most important thing, and for us, like, even the things that my patriarchal blessing talks about, about a career and stuff, I just knew that this was gonna be... Th- this has just always felt right. And so just be, yeah, just be open to... Don't let, like, what your preconceived notions are keep you from hearing what the spirit has [00:49:00] for you to do in your life
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah. Did you ever feel like you had a moment where you were like, where you questioned yourself or doubted if this was the right decision for your family?
Jennie Lakenan: Only in the moments where I wasn't paying the attention to my family and what was going on in our house as I should've. Like there was a time a couple years ago where we, uh ... I don't know. I'm like, how much would my 12-year-old want me to share about this? Probably not very much. I'll just keep it, I'll keep it brief.
But basically, like there were some things going on with her and her anxiety that I was so like sucked into what was going on with the business that I wasn't paying attention to that the way that I should've. And, and my husband was, uh, uh, you know, he was aware of it, but he wasn't able to react in the way that I thought and realized was needed.
And so finally though, like I kind of ... Actually, I think that's ... I'm just making this connection [00:50:00] now. Like I super burned out that fall and had to like basically go down to working 20 hours a week, and I wonder if that's why I needed to do that and experience that because then I wasn't as sucked into work and I was able to like really focus on her and see, oh my gosh, like some things really need to change.
And we made some pretty, pretty drastic changes just with like her access to technology and things like that, that I was like, "Okay, this was the right thing," and it has been a night and day difference. She's like a different person, and for, for the better, and I'm so grateful to that. So that's the only time where I was like, oh my gosh, like business has definitely kept me from being the resource that I needed to be for my family, and maybe that's why I needed to experience that burnout so that I would be working less.
And now I'm back to working, you know, 40-plus hours a week and like everything's fine, and I've ... But I have way, I've learned way more balance now than I knew then. And I'm able to be present with them the way that I need to. So I think, yeah, I was definitely like distracting myself with the [00:51:00] business so that I didn't have to deal with stuff over here.
That's the only time that I think I felt like, okay, this balance isn't right.
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah. Okay, but thank you so much for saying this too, because I feel like a lot of women are so scared of their business distracting them from their kids,
where what I found for myself and what you just said is that actually what happens is I work on my business and I become a better parent for my kids because I have a place for all of my creative energy to go, which means that I can feel more present and chill when I'm with my kids.
Not 100% of the time. I'm not perfect. I won't pretend that I am, like, totally present all the time, 'cause I have a very busy problem-solving brain. what I found for myself is that if there, if ever is a time where my business starts to be pulling me away from where I need to be most present, the Spirit will let me know. And I wish... That might be one of my messages that I wanna shout from a [00:52:00] megaphone for the women who are like, "Oh, but my kids are gonna suffer without me," and it's like, they probably won't. Your kids could be greatly blessed by your efforts. And also, I think the Spirit will let you know if you get off-kilter. So you don't need to be afraid of that just, like, happening just the nature of owning a business. If you are doing what you need to do to make the choices every day to be connected with the Spirit, bring yourself back to what's your core values, you're praying, you've got your head in scriptural input somehow, the Spirit will, will let you know where your attention needs to shift
Jennie Lakenan: Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. And what it comes down to is keeping that spiritual connection really strong. Because it doesn't... I mean, you can have a business, not have a business, whatever, any number of life circumstances, and if you're not spiritually connected with Heavenly Father and the Holy Ghost, your kids are gonna suffer.
Like, your relationship with your kids are gonna suffer. [00:53:00] So it's, it's not... The business isn't really a factor so much as like, yes, at times maybe you might be a little disconnected from your kids. That probably will happen, and the Spirit will help you to know and correct, and that's just part of the natural evolution of learning and growing as an entrepreneur
Kaelynn Priest: Did you ever feel This is the most random question, but it's just popping into my head. you ever feel scared of being too successful?
Jennie Lakenan: That's such a good question. In the beginning, it was terrifying because I didn't know how to have money, and I think you've, you've talked about this on past episodes, too. Like, I didn't know how to... I felt, yes, I felt afraid of the success I was experiencing because I was afraid I was just gonna lose it.
Like, I was afraid it was a fluke, and that we wouldn't be able to continue, and we would not have the suc- the money that we needed to keep, uh, going the way that we were. And, and I remember [00:54:00] when we sold that, like, little split-level house that we lived in when we started the business and moved into an apartment, and the apartment's rent was literally double what our mortgage was.
But we felt like... Like, I was so terrified, but it was absolutely, like, spiritually the right decision, and I felt the Spirit telling me, like, "I'm partly challenging you. You're being challenged to do this so that you can up-level your thinking." It's so weird, 'cause it's so counter to, like, what stewardship would tell us, which is, like, be frugal and all that.
And I still, like, I love those values, but in that moment, what I needed was, like, you need to spend more money so that you can, like, prove s- it can be proven to you that you're not gonna need to worry about money in the way that you think you are, or that you're gonna be able to keep being successful.
Because what you bring to the table is your human brain and Heavenly Father's guidance. And so even if everything in my business crashed and burned tomorrow, like, I'm gonna make something else. Like, it's gonna be fine. And so in [00:55:00] that sense, yes, I was afraid of success, and but for me it was from a sense of, like, being afraid it would just stop suddenly
Kaelynn Priest: We're gonna have you back for a part two episode so we can dive into all of that, 'cause I'm like, wait,
I wanna Yeah
on all of that. But do you feel, do you feel at peace now with like, hey, whatever happens in the economy, whatever twists and turns are thrown to us because of factors that are, we're still figuring out, I'm gonna figure it out. Do you feel pretty
grounded in that confidence?
Jennie Lakenan: Y- yes and no. I mean, every day that's, like, the, the thing that I journal about. Like, literally this morning is reading Psalms and just thinking about the part where it's like, you know, "Lord, don't leave me 'cause I need your help," and it's... And, like, s- but then I go play mahjong after dinner with my kids, and I feel like, "Oh, life is just so zen right now, and I had this great call with a client today, and I sold a new project."
Like, so it's just that, like, that push and pull and that 50/50 [00:56:00] of
life, you know? That's something that Jodie Moore, who became a client, like, after which is so crazy, the full circle of that. She talks about that 50/50 of, like, you know, life is 50% good and 50% hard, and that's actually why we're here, and that's the beauty of, uh, of the life that Heavenly Father has given us
Kaelynn Priest: I think about 50/50 all the time. That really helps me. That's probably one of the biggest things I've learned from Jodi Moore you know, on a day when I'm frustrated, I'm like, "Ugh, this is so frustrating," it's like, "Oh, that's okay. It's 50/50. I don't need to be, like, I don't need to be frustrated that it's frustrating.
I can just accept that it's frustrating, and some days are great, and some days aren't." And instead of trying to optimize so that every day is 100% amazing, I can be a little bit more A little bit more willing to receive whatever God has in store for us right now instead of feeling [00:57:00] like it's my job to make every day amazing. I can just chill for a sec, something that I work on a lot. I don't need to be superhuman. I don't need to... It's not, you know, if I have a bad day, it's not because I'm not awesome. just, that's just how life is. That brings me a lot of comfort. I actually think about that all the time.
Jennie Lakenan: Yeah. And just, just, just be here to experience it and keep an open hand. I don't tightly grip too much to any one outcome and just be present. Yeah.
Kaelynn Priest: The last question I have for you is, is there a verse of scripture, you've already mentioned a couple, but is there a verse of scripture that you particular- that is meaningful to you as a business owner?
Jennie Lakenan: Yeah
particular verse doesn't usually come to mind. I think the, I really love that 1 Nephi, I think it's in chapter 18, where he talks about, like, "I did not work the timbers after the manner which was learned by men, but after the manner which [00:58:00] the Lord had shown unto me," because that's, that's how he built the boat, and that's how we can build our businesses and our lives, and just take the next best step
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