Kenna Barber: Podcast Interview w/ Kaelynn
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Kenna Barber: a week before Christmas, I got locked out of my Instagram account that I... That was, like, my main form of marketing and my main posting thing, right? And I got locked out, and I couldn't get back in, and I tried everything. I was, like, going to the temple. I was saying prayers.
I was like, "Please just help me get back into this," 'cause this is, like, what is, you know, my form of marketing and how I'm reaching people and getting my art out there, right? And didn't happen, and so I started completely over, new account, zero followers,
Kaelynn Priest: This week I'm bringing to you Kenna Barber, one of my longtime dear friends and an incredible LDS artist. Kenna got her start several years ago, and she and I crossed paths when she actually joined my Etsy course, which just goes to show how long she and I have been good friends. And so I've [00:01:00] had so much fun watching her journey of growth in her business and in her artwork over the last few years, and most recently just welcoming their first baby boy into their family.
I asked her some questions about transitioning into being a mom and running a business with a tiny baby at home. So we talk all about that, including the challenges of being a business owner and also being an artist. She has an incredible Instagram account, which I've linked in the show notes for you, but she actually lost access to one of her Instagram accounts several years ago and had to start over from scratch.
Additionally, we talked a little bit about AI and some of the challenges of being an artist in the AI economy. So we dove into that as well. I think you're really gonna love her perspective, especially if you're an artist, but even if you're not, as someone who decided to leave the traditional path, decided to leave the university and not get a degree and really follow her dreams.
She is someone who has fearlessly followed [00:02:00] her dreams from the very beginning, even at such a young age, and I'm so proud of her and just excited for you to be able to hear her perspective. Here's Kenna
Okay. I am so excited to bring my dear friend Kenna Barber on the show with me today. And Kenna, why don't you just start out by telling us about you, your background story, and what you're up to?
Kenna Barber: Okay, so I am Kenna. I am an LDS artist. I mostly do LDS Christian artwork and dabble in landscapes and flowers and other things like that too. Do you want me to just, like, go on my whole story?
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah.
Kenna Barber: How I started? Okay. I'll try to give the quick version 'cause I, I would say, like, my business and, like, journey to what I do now started probably about 10 years ago.
And so in high school, well, middle school more, I started getting more into art, and I was like, "Oh, I'm actually kind of good at this." And I really enjoyed it. I was just taking, you know, the elective art classes you can do in middle school. And [00:03:00] then when I got to high school, I did some painting classes, and I really enjoyed those too, and so I just started painting more on my own.
And then I started an Instagram account for it. And I think my first post was, like, 2015, 2016, around that time. And I would just post here and there, like, what I was working on. And then I started doing, like, watercolor temples and, like, the classic faceless watercolor portraits that I feel like was, like- like the barrier to entry of, like every artist is like, that's where they started, and then it, like snowballed from there.
And so I would do those, and occasionally people would be like, "Hey, will you do this for a missionary that I have?" Or, "Will you do this for my mom's birthday?" Or something like that. And so I probably charged, like 20 bucks, like pretty much dirt cheap for those little paintings I would do, and it was really fun.
I really liked it. And I always had dreams of doing it full time, and making it more. And so I finally got the courage to open an [00:04:00] Etsy shop when I was a freshman in college. So I think this was 2021, I wanna say, January of 2021. And I opened an Etsy shop, and I had like five watercolor prints on there, and I, like, figured out how to print them and scan them and everything.
And I opened it, and I posted, and it was like crickets. Nothing happened. And so that was in January. I remember my first sale was in April, I wanna say, so a couple months later, and it was for four stickers. And the person who bought it was actually this 12-year-old kid that I... In the summers, I was working at this, like summer camp kind of thing, and this kid who lived in, like Chicago but traveled to Utah for the summers bought it and left a note.
He was like, "I just wanted to sor- support your small business. Like, I think this is so awesome and so cute."
Kaelynn Priest: Oh
Kenna Barber: thank you. So that's where my very first Etsy sale came from, which is so funny to look back on now. And then, yeah, I kinda just like sat for a couple more [00:05:00] months, and nothing really happened.
And then the fall... Well, August of that year, I got married, and then that fall it was my mother-in-law's birthday, and so we're like, "What should we get her?" And my husband was like, "Oh, you could do, like, a painting of Christ or something for her, and give... Like, let's give her that." And I was like, "Great idea." So I made that, and then I was like, "Oh, I should try posting this," because the artwork I had before on my Etsy was just some, like little quotes and a little, like mountain landscape not very similar to what I do now.
And so I created that painting, and I was like, "Oh, I'm gonna post this on Etsy, too." And that one started to gain some traction, and then I did another more, like Christ faith-focused painting, and then that one gained more traction, too. And so it kind of started to grow from there. About a year later, I would say, is when it, like really picked up.
And I believe this is when I got your Etsy course, which is so funny to look back on now. [00:06:00] Like
Kaelynn Priest: that's wild.
Kenna Barber: Yeah. And so, like, when you talk about your business journey, I'm like, "Oh, I have been with you,
Kaelynn Priest: We have been there in lockstep
Kenna Barber: step of the way." Yep. So it's so funny to look back on. And I r- well, maybe it was fall of 2021. I don't know.
Doesn't matter. But I remember it was probably, like, what? 500, $600. And I was like, "I really wanna do this. I feel like it would be really beneficial." But it was so scary to make that step, and that was the v- first, like, really big investment I'd ever made into my business. But I was like, "Okay, I'm just gonna do it.
I feel like I can make my money back. Like, Christmas is coming up. I'll be able to, you know, make more money during the holiday season and things like that." So I got your course. I did it. It was so helpful, and I feel like that helped me grow a ton. So yeah. Then things kind of just started building, building, and then I remember I was at about, like, 13,000 followers let's see, [00:07:00] with, like, October of 2022.
Trying to think of years. Yeah, that seems right. Anyways, and I was going to school at Utah State. I was studying marketing, and I was also working ha- part-time for this kind of, like, local swim and active wear company, and I was really liking it. I was running their social media, and I was also doing art, you know, part-time too.
So I had these kind of three things I was doing. And but I really wanted to kind of quit my job. I wasn't... Like, I liked it, but I was like, "Ugh, I'm kind of getting sick of this. Like, I really just wanna focus on art," right? But I was so scared to, like, actually quit, and then I just randomly got fired from my job, basically, in October of that year.
And now looking back, I'm like, "Oh, God was basically just like, 'Hey, I know you're not gonna quit, so I'm gonna make you quit,' basically."
Kaelynn Priest: Let me help you out.
Kenna Barber: Yeah, yeah. He's like, "Here, I have a better [00:08:00] path for you." I was like, "Okay, great." So then I was like, "Okay, we're just gonna go all in. I'm not gonna try to find a different job.
We're just gonna try to make artwork." And then a couple months later, I ended up dropping out of school too, and I had always planned on getting my bachelor's, la- well, you know. I kinda planned like, "Okay, I'm gonna get my marketing degree. I'm gonna work in marketing c- for a couple years. Once I start a family, hopefully I can just do art full-time or, you know, like have that on the side as I'm a mom," right?
And so I was like, "Okay, I'm not gonna keep going to school. Like, it's so much money. It's so much time. I think what's gonna be the most beneficial is if I just put all my time and efforts and even more, you know, like invest in more things that are gonna build my business instead of investing in this degree that, like, really might not get me to my end goal," right?
Kaelynn Priest: Mm-hmm.
Kenna Barber: So that's kinda where I'm at, and then a week before Christmas, I got locked out of my Instagram account that I... That was, like, my [00:09:00] main form of marketing and my main posting thing, right? And I got locked out, and I couldn't get back in, and I tried everything. I was, like, going to the temple. I was saying prayers.
I was like, "Please just help me get back into this," 'cause this is, like, what is, you know, my form of marketing and how I'm reaching people and getting my art out there, right? And didn't happen, and so I started completely over, new account, zero followers, and luckily I was able to grow pretty quickly in that first year.
And, like, honestly it was a miracle that, like, people found me again or, you know, like I had a couple posts and reels go somewhat viral, and so I just found the right people again, and it grew pretty quickly in that time span. So yeah, that was crazy. And then since then I feel like it's kind of plateaued a little [00:10:00] bit, but, you know, hopefully we're still growing and just, yeah, keeping on going.
So that's kinda where I'm at now.
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah. What year was that when you got locked out of your IG?
Kenna Barber: That was in very end of 2022.
Kaelynn Priest: Okay, so a few years
Kenna Barber: So a coup- yeah, yeah. I'm like, that one, now it seems like a while ago, but yeah
Kaelynn Priest: remember when you were, like, in the middle of this. us through... you kind of already shared, like, that was terrifying but, like, really, you know, I don't even have a following the size of yours, but I would imagine that if your primary, you know, i- Instagram is your priva- primary marketing platform, revenue source, that's probably very distressing.
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm.
Kaelynn Priest: What did your prayers sound like in those days, weeks, when you were starting to realize, "I'm not gonna get access to this"? Or long did it take you to, like, [00:11:00] come to terms with that and then start over?
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think at least for a week after, 'cause it was, like, a week before Christmas. So, like, during that time I was like, "Okay, I'm just gonna try to get back. I'm not gonna start over yet." And then I feel like, yeah, like, beginning of January is when I was like, "Okay, I'm gonna s- still keep trying, but I'm gonna start a new account."
And then it was probably towards the end of that month that I was like, "Okay, this isn't gonna
Kaelynn Priest: The door is closed.
Kenna Barber: is closed. Yes. But yeah, I just remember praying, like, "Please, like, help me find someone who can help me or just know what I can do." I remember... So I would... I don't know how to explain it, but, like, there was a way that I could try to get, like, authorized again by doing, like, this face ID thing.
Kaelynn Priest: Mm-hmm.
Kenna Barber: And so I remember, like, going to the temple and, like, being in the dressing room and being like, "Okay, I'm just gonna try one more time, and, like, hopefully it'll work this time." And I [00:12:00] do it, and wouldn't work, and then I'm like,
Kaelynn Priest: You're like,
"I'm in the temple.
Kenna Barber: yeah,
Kaelynn Priest: The, The,
veil is thinner here.
Kenna Barber: Yeah.
Kaelynn Priest: This has to be the key," and it still doesn't work.
Kenna Barber: It still doesn't work. And then I would like, you know, go do my session or whatever, and then come back, try again. Still wouldn't work. Okay, that's fine. So yeah, it was hard. And I mean, just in the moment it was like I didn't have an email list. I didn't have really anything else. Like, that was where my audience was.
So it was stressful
Kaelynn Priest: Do you feel like, I'm imagining little Kenna in, like, middle school, high school, who's dreaming about being a full-time artist. Maybe you were even, this was, like, early college years too.
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm.
Kaelynn Priest: Did you, was it your dream to be an LDS, a Christian artist, or did that, did God just hand that to you? Or how would you describe that?
Kenna Barber: I would say yes, it was. And I think it was mostly because of the people I was seeing on [00:13:00] Instagram. Well, I can think of two specific people, like Celeste Clark, if you all follow her, and The Color Amber. And I remember following both of them, and I was like, "They are so cool. They're creating, like, meaningful pieces of artwork.
I wanna be like them." And so yeah, that's kind of why I was like, "Okay." And I even kind of, like, strayed away from that for a little bit. Or there's even a time me and my husband got in a fight early on because he was like, "I think you should try to, like, do some other artwork, like, maybe do some, like, Disney stuff or something."
And I was like, "No, I wanna do LDS artwork or Christian artwork at least," you know? And so yeah, I feel like that always has been the path that I've felt called to.
Kaelynn Priest: That's so cool
do you remember one of your first pieces of artwork that you created that people seemed to really gravitate to?
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm. Yeah. So I feel like the one that sticks out the most to me was called Heavenly Friend, [00:14:00] and I've actually since made an updated version of it, and it was basically just, like, Christ and a girl sitting on a beach, like soft colored, kind of sunset, sunrise kind of vibe. And it just looks like they're just sitting there talking, like having a conversation.
And I made different hair colors of it too, and I feel like people really gravitated towards that because they could see themselves in that,
Kaelynn Priest: Mm.
Kenna Barber: and kind of see like, oh, like, God is there. You know, Jesus Christ, they are there when we are praying and when we are, you know, asking for these miracles or big things, or even just in those small moments too of, like, the everyday, like, "Okay, help me have more patience for this moment.
Help me get through the day," or whatever it is. I feel like it just helped people, and me too, just realize, like, okay, He is there. They are listening. Because sometimes it can be hard to really think about that and, like, grapple with that in our minds, you know? 'Cause it's like, how are [00:15:00] they, like, listening to all of our prayers?
I feel like that's something I have a hard time, like, understanding sometimes. So I feel like that visual was really helpful for people and me
Kaelynn Priest: Okay, that leads me to another question. Is there a piece that you've created that stands out in your mind as one that strengthened your testimony as you were creating it or after you created it? Tell me about one that jumps out at you
Kenna Barber: Hmm. I have like five in my head. I'm like, "Ooh,
Kaelynn Priest: I
Kenna Barber: one." One I can think of, I made it like a year and a half ago. It's called Daughter of a King, and it shows Christ placing a flower crown on the little girl's head. And it basically just symbolizes divine worth and that, you know, we are all, like, anointed with his power and with, you know, our own individual, like, gifts and strengths and talents, and that we are all a daughter of a king.
And so that's one that I feel like [00:16:00] strengthened my testimony of my divine worth a lot
Kaelynn Priest: Hmm. 'Cause you were working in the temple for a little while, right? Am I remembering that
Kenna Barber: Yeah. Yeah, I did it for 18 months, so I just stopped
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah.
Kenna Barber: So, yeah
Kaelynn Priest: Were you always at the Logan Temple?
Or was that down here is down here. So I was at the Tempe, Nova temple.
Gotcha.
Kenna Barber: Yeah.
Kaelynn Priest: So
Kenna Barber: Yeah, I...
Kaelynn Priest: done that before I had kids.
Kenna Barber: Yeah. Well, the cool thing is you can still do it. I feel like a lot of people think that once you have kids or you're in, like, those busy phases, you can't do it. But there's actually a girl in our old ward who, she had three kids, and she was pregnant with her fourth, and she would work in the temple every week still.
And it was only for a short time, but she was like, "I..." Well, she came, or she got up for testimony meeting one week, and she was like I know this is, like, a crazy thing for me to do, but I just feel like even if it's just for a couple months, like, I need to go work in the temple." So she would just do it in the evenings, but you could also do [00:17:00] Saturdays.
So it is a cool thing that, like, you can still do if you just have, you know, four hours on one day of a week
Kaelynn Priest: Do you... i'm thinking about you dropping out of your degree.
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm.
Kaelynn Priest: Was that a difficult decision for you to make? Was it an easy decision? Walk us through if we were a fly on the wall in Kenna's apartment when that was going on, what did that look like for you?
Kenna Barber: Uh, it was definitely hard because I had always visualized myself graduating from college, and that was a big thing my parents stressed too, is like, "You're gonna graduate from high school, you're gonna go on a mission or you're gonna go to college or..." You know, it's like, "You are going to get a degree."
And that's something I definitely wanted and what I visualized for myself, and so then when that changed, I was like, "Oh." Like, I kind of had like a id- identity crisis a little bit just 'cause that wasn't what I was expecting, you know? And [00:18:00] at the time too, it kinda came more from a place of, like, finances and, like, we didn't wanna take out student debt, and so we're, it more was like, "Okay, let's get my husband through school.
Once he's done, maybe I'll go back. I can do online," something like that. But then I feel like once that door kinda opened or, like, we were thinking about it in a different way, like another option arose, I was like, "Wait, do I actually need this degree? Is it gonna get me where I want it?" And so yeah, that's kind of more what steered us or, you know, why I didn't end up finishing.
Kaelynn Priest: It's so interesting because, you know, one person could be like, "Oh, why wouldn't you get your degree?" And someone else would be like, "Why would you?"
Kenna Barber: No, exactly. Yeah.
Kaelynn Priest: What value does this add to my life, uh, besides accruing debt that I then have to pay off?" You know,
Kenna Barber: Yeah, exactly.
Kaelynn Priest: what I wanna do,
Kenna Barber: Yeah
Kaelynn Priest: I'm already doing it.
I'm already being paid to do it."
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm.
Kaelynn Priest: Do you feel like, do you feel [00:19:00] like you've faced any, Is that still something that bothers you, the fact that you don't have a degree? Is it something you think about, that you worry about?
Kenna Barber: No, I honestly don't even really think about it anymore.
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah
Kenna Barber: So yeah, I, and I'm really glad it ended up that way because like sure I, you know, I learned some helpful things from like those marketing, and I was also doing a minor in entrepreneurship, and so I learned some helpful things, but a lot of it was common sense.
Like, I already knew it, or it was more like corporate marketing. Like, I wouldn't really have applied that to my business.
Kaelynn Priest: Right. and as someone who did get a business degree and then started a business, it's like they don't teach you anything
actually running a business.
Kenna Barber: that curriculum with people who actually know." Yeah, happen
Kaelynn Priest: gonna... Here's what you really need if you're gonna start a business, you need to hire X, Y, and
Kenna Barber: Yeah.
Kaelynn Priest: right?
Kenna Barber: Exactly.
Kaelynn Priest: If there's someone listening to this who's facing a decision like that that's like a major life [00:20:00] path moment, maybe it's related to getting a degree or not getting a degree. Maybe it's related to serving a mission or not serving a mission or something like that. I'm imagining like a young woman who's like recently graduated from high school who has a dream of what she wants to do, just like how you were.
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm.
Kaelynn Priest: advice would you give to her?
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm. That made me think of another reason why I kind of decided not to keep going to school is school will always be there, but the opportunity to grow my business and have more time towards that, I feel like that wasn't always gonna be the case. And so for me, I was like, "Okay, if this doesn't work out, I can always go back to school.
That's always an option." But for this moment, like I need... I think it's more important or a better use of my time to focus on that. But yeah, I would just say pray about it too, and go with your gut. I feel like the hard thing too is sometimes when you pray about a big decision like that, God will be like, "Either option's [00:21:00] great."
And you're like, "Okay, well, that doesn't really help me." And so sometimes you just kinda have to like go with one option that feels the best and just trust that it'll work out. And if it's the wrong path, then you'll probably realize it pretty quickly
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah, yeah. This reminds me of when I was deciding to serve a mission. I turned... Well, so I started my degree at BYU in September, and then the age change announcement happened in October. So
Kenna Barber: Oh, wow
Kaelynn Priest: in my mind, I was like, "Should I go on a study abroad? Should I buy a car?" I had this, like, cash to spend. I was like, "What should I do with it?"
And that was literally what I was, the question I was praying for going into conference And then the age change announcement happened, and like you, I kinda felt like, like, I don't know. Like, all the paths in front of me are good options, felt like God was kinda like, "You'll be fine no matter what you choose." But I've actually been thinking about this a lot. In Nephi, when Nephi's receiving his version of the vision of the tree of life and the other [00:22:00] subsequent pieces of the vision that Nephi receives and records, the question that the Spirit asks Nephi is, "What desirest thou?" And I kind of wish that I would have approached that decision from that angle.
Like, what do you want, Kaylynn? do you want, Kenna? Like, can decide, and you can do what you want to do sometimes, right? Like, I think it's important to align our will with God's, yes, but also there is a lot of room, there's a lot of room in that for what, what He wants us to do is usually He wants us to do a good thing, and there's a million ways to do that.
So that's a question that I've been thinking about a lot recently. Like, what desirest thou? What do I want? And that's something I was thinking about if, you know, if I was giving advice to a young woman who's like, "What should I do?" That would be what I would start with.
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm. Yeah, like
Kaelynn Priest: I wanna change gears a tiny bit. I would imagine as an artist, and there's lots of, not, like, a ton, there's a good number of [00:23:00] LDS artists. They all have very different styles. They all have d- very different angles or thoughts that they want to share 'cause it's kind of like if you're gonna share artwork on Instagram, you get to be an artist, and you also get to, I was gonna say have to, you also get to like, thoughtful words about the artwork that you've created, which is, like, two different skills coming together. D- have you ever felt, have you ever struggled with comparison? And if so, what do you do to keep that at bay, to keep that from stopping you?
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm. I'd say absolutely. I feel like that is a huge thing for any business owners, but I feel like particularly artists, it can be really hard not to compare your work to other people's. And, like, even if they have a different style than mine, I'll see something they create that I like, and I'm like, "Oh, I love that.
Like, how can [00:24:00] I make something like that?" But then I'm like, "No, I need to just trust that, like, my style and what I'm doing is me, and there's people who like that." And there's people who like their style, too. But like, you know, try to stay in your own lane. One thing that helps me is just to block it out.
And so there's been times where I've just, like, muted certain accounts so I don't see it, and I can just focus on what I'm doing. And I feel like that is the most important thing. And then also just focusing on what my strengths are. So it's like they might be really good at, you know, doing, like, more detailed paintings, or m- they might be really good at doing more abstract or, like, looser things.
But I just have to focus on, like, okay, this is my strength, and trust, like, there's people who like this. And yeah, just try to stick with that instead of constantly worrying about what other people are doing.
Kaelynn Priest: I'm also a big advocate for muting accounts
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm.
Kaelynn Priest: even unfollowing.
Kenna Barber: Yeah
Kaelynn Priest: it's just like [00:25:00] if you, if you struggle... Hold on one second. I guess you probably can't hear that sound in the recording, but I'll turn off my notifications anyway.
Kenna Barber: Oh, yeah, I can hear you
Kaelynn Priest: okay, good. Yeah, I'm a big advocate for muting accounts when needed, and sometimes I still need that a lot.
It's just like I don't need that constant reminder. And there's even people who I like ad- I really admire, my s- like, there's different levels of it. Some days my brain will go straight to, like, comparison, therefore I am less than, and other days it will go to comparison, therefore I can, I can do that too.
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm.
Kaelynn Priest: sometimes it just helps to not even have that noise in my brain, in my peripheral view. So I'm a big advocate for that too. What would you say your strength is as an artist?
Kenna Barber: Okay, that's a good question. I would say one of my strengths is more, [00:26:00] I don't know, maybe like heartfelt personal pictures of Christ that are a little bit more col- colorful. I feel like there are some that lean more like the beige, like simplistic, and, you know, there's like all sides of the spectrum.
But I feel like I kind of have like a good middle ground of that. And yeah, like you were saying, I love to write about my pieces afterwards, and even sometimes create a poem or something that goes along with it, and I feel like that adds a lot of meaning to the piece. And so I feel like that is one of my strengths too, is kind of putting some of those feelings into words
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah. adore some of the poems that you've written recently, and, like, genuinely, I'm not just saying this as a friend. Like, that is genuinely in my mind, like, two beautiful gifts that you've been given. To be able to represent something visually and with words is pretty amazing to have both of those skills.
And like you said, I do think [00:27:00] words and the story do kind of help me connect more with the piece. I'm thinking of one that you posted that was about motherhood, is so relevant because you are entering motherhood, right? You're in this new phase. Anyway, I just think you're amazing at that. I would agree.
Those are your strengths, too.
Kenna Barber: Thank you
Kaelynn Priest: Will you say a little bit about being a business owner and becoming a mom?
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm.
Kaelynn Priest: Walk us through what that journey's been like for you.
Kenna Barber: Oh boy. I mean, it's been fun. I feel like, I feel very blessed is the biggest thing, that I get to stay home and I still have a way that I can help provide income for my family. And I also think it has been really beneficial for me to have something outside of motherhood
Kaelynn Priest: Mm-hmm.
Kenna Barber: because, like, of course I love being a mom and I love my little baby so much, but I feel like through postpartum, like right now, I, I had him three and a half months ago, and so I feel like I'm still in those early stages [00:28:00] of figuring it out.
Yeah. You are. And like, you know, all the, the hormones and emotions and all of that.
Kaelynn Priest: Mm-hmm.
Kenna Barber: feel like it has been really helpful for me to have other goals, even if they're small, and other things to do that aren't just being a mom. So overall I would say it has been a really positive experience. I think right now I'm just trying to figure out how to keep doing it all, and I'm trying to, or, like, in the process of realizing it's not gonna look how it used to.
Like, I don't have all the time in the day to make posts, to paint, to, and then do other things like hobbies, and working out, and cooking, and cleaning, and all of those things. So I feel like now I'm just having to be really strategic with my time, and look at what is actually gonna move the needle in my business and what is gonna fulfill me too, and just focus my time on those things.
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah. Have you found any any things [00:29:00] that are working well for you? I know you're, like, literally three months postpartum, so you're, like, you're still adjusting to all the things. But
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm.
Kaelynn Priest: what's something that you've found so far that's working really well to be able to manage as much of it as you can?
Kenna Barber: Oh, I don't know if I have any specifics. Let me think. One helpful thing right now is that my husband's a teacher, and so he has the summer off. And so that's been really helpful for me to be like, "Okay, give me, like, two, three hours in the afternoon." Like, that's my time to just, like, shut my door, do whatever I need to.
So that's been helpful, just to kinda have a dedicated time each day. And then I feel like this is just a really simple thing, but setting timers I find so helpful. So when he goes to bed a lot of times I'll set a timer for 30 minutes or an hour and be like, "Okay, this is my time to paint. Like, I'm not worrying about anything else.
That's my time to do this." And then once the timer goes off, then I'll be like, "Okay, [00:30:00] now I'm gonna go clean the kitchen, and now I'm gonna, like, go do this and this." And then a lot of times I'll come back and be like, "Okay, and now I'm gonna, you know, write an email, make my post for tomorrow, do whatever I need to."
So I feel like just being strategic and kinda, like, setting those chunks of time aside to do what you need to do and also what you want to do is really beneficial
Kaelynn Priest: That, I think you actually have figured out that secret that take, takes a lot of us a really long time. wanna say something though about that, like I feel like I was so that having my thing in addition to having my kids would be a problem or would hold me back or be a problem for my kids. But what I found, and I think a lot of the women listening to this are, like, craving hearing women saying what we're saying, which is that it's been a really good thing. It's been good. It's been good for me, [00:31:00] obviously, like, that I get to have something to work on that I can see results from pretty quickly, where with kids you don't always get that, like dopamine hit, right?
It's like, it's just a long, drawn-out growing process. There aren't, like, usually milestones you get to hit like you can in a business.
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm.
Kaelynn Priest: But also, I think it's really good for my kids. I know it's really good for my kids. It's like they... First of all, they get a happy, fulfilled mom, which is very important. I have been through seasons where I was not the happy, fulfilled mom, so I can say confidently that they do get that most of the time. But I'm also really excited to be able to provide an example for them of what it looks like to love them and take care of them and do what makes me happy, too. So for anyone out there who's listening who's like, "I don't know, this feels contradictory to what, the pattern that I was taught or raised with," I don't know if that's [00:32:00] still as common as I feel like it was for me as, you know, like, in young women's it was like, "When you get married, you're gonna have kids and they're gonna be the best thing ever," and no one said, "It's also gonna be really challenging."
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm. Yeah
Kaelynn Priest: by that. Another question that I had for you is will you walk us through the pr- your process for creating artwork? Do you have, like, a ritual that you go through to get in the mindset of, "Now it's time for me to paint"? I love that you said you set a timer for yourself, one so that you make sure that it happens, but also so that you make sure all the other things in your life happen that need to have, that need to happen. If we were in your office space, what would we see happen when Kenna's getting in the zone, ready to paint?
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm. Well, I'd say every painting starts as a little line of text in my notes app.
Kaelynn Priest: Mm,
Kenna Barber: There's always a list going of like, okay, here's my ideas, here's what's inspiring me. So I feel like [00:33:00] that's how every painting is born, basically is like the idea. And then a lot of times the inspiration behind it is just a feeling I'm wanting to create.
Or I don't know, sometimes it's not a specific, like, scripture story or message even. A lot of times it's like, oh, I saw this picture on Pinterest that I love. Like, I'm kind of inspired by that. Like, let's kind of weave that into it or, you know, do something like that. So I feel like it always starts with the idea, and then I'll usually sketch it out on my iPad and kinda just do a little color study of like, okay, here's, you know, just kind of like a mock-up of it basically.
And then I'll get onto a canvas or panel or paper, whatever medium I'm doing. And I don't know. I'm like, I don't have a specific process, but I just, yeah, try to always have a prayer in my heart [00:34:00] that it's gonna turn out the way I'm hoping, 'cause that's one thing too. It's like sometimes I almost get scared to do it or to like keep working on a certain part because I don't wanna mess it up, 'cause I have this idea of what I want it to be in my head.
And so sometimes I really... Like, the timie- timer thing really helps me because then it forces me just to do it and start. But yeah. And then sometimes I'm listening to a church faith-based podcast or music or something like that, and sometimes I'm listening to country music. Like, I don't really have a specific thing like that that I do
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah. Do you, how do your ideas for your artwork hit you most often? Or is it a variety of ways?
Kenna Barber: I would say it's a variety of ways. A lot of times actually it's through music. And so I love listening to worship music, like any type, like from, you know, [00:35:00] like the EFY songs or just more broad, like Christian music. And so a lot of times I feel like I'll hear a line in a song that I'm like, "Ooh, I really like that."
Like, how could I translate that to a painting? Or like the message and feeling of a song, I kind of am like, okay, how could I create instead of like the visual reminder of it, how could I... Or the... No, wait. Audio reminder of it. Yeah. How could I create the visual reminder of that so someone could like see that on their wall and feel that same feeling?
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah
Kenna Barber: I feel like that is w- a lot of times how an idea comes to me
Kaelynn Priest: Mm. Is there... I have two questions for you. I'm gonna throw both at you, 'cause they might tie together or they might not. But question number one is, do you feel like if you had to identify or put your finger on a theme a lesson that you've learned over the entirety of running and owning your business, what would that be? And the second part of that [00:36:00] question is there a specific verse of scripture that comes to mind that makes, that reminds you about your business, that makes you think about work that God wants to do through you?
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I feel like they do kind of tie together. Let me find my scripture that I was thinking about. Okay, so I would say the main theme of my business when I look back on all the years is resilience and pushing forward when it's hard. Because I have had multiple times where I've wanted to quit.
Like, in those first months of my Etsy, I almost quit. When I lost my Instagram account, I thought about quitting, or at least it was really hard, and I was like, "Crap, what do I do?" And then there have been times in the past three years, and even the past month, where I'm like, "This is really hard. I don't know what to do.
Like, what the heck? You know, how do I keep going?"
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah
Kenna Barber: And so I feel like just learning how to be [00:37:00] resilient and keep going when it's hard has been the biggest thing that I've learned. And then to answer your second question, the... One of my favorite scriptures is 1 Nephi 17:13, and I'll just read it quick.
It says, "And I will also be your light in the wilderness, and I will prepare the way before you, if this shall be that ye shall keep my commandments; wherefore, inasmuch as ye shall keep my commandments ye should be- ye shall be led towards the promised land, and ye shall know that it is by me that ye are led."
So I love that because a lot of times in life, and especially in business, it feels like we're in the wilderness and we don't know where we're supposed to go, where we're supposed to turn, what path to take. But I love that this scripture reminds us that Jesus Christ and God will be our light and if we are, you know, keeping the commandments, having faith, praying, doing those things, that we will be led and know which way we should go.
And I like how it says the promised land, but I feel like that can [00:38:00] be... We can, like, put other words in there. You know? Like, we can be led towards our desires, towards abundance, towards prosperity. Whatever it is that we are wanting, we can be led s- towards that and then know that it's by Jesus Christ and God that we are led there
Kaelynn Priest: Do you feel like God... I mean, you- your subject matter is literally the Savior, so
it would make sense to me if it feels like He is leading and guiding your business. feel true for you? Tell me what that looks like for you
Kenna Barber: I would say yes, but I don't think I'm always the best at knowing how to utilize that. Like, I feel like I have a lot of strengths in my business and in, like, my faith and my testimony, and sometimes, like, praying and reading my scriptures honestly isn't one for me. Whereas I feel like service and going to the temple, that is something that comes easier for me.[00:39:00]
And so, one thing I honestly want to work on more is having a stronger relationship with Jesus Christ in my business, and being like, "Okay, I'm struggling with this. Like, how, how do I figure this out?" Or like, "What's the thing I should be focusing on right now?" Or whatever it is. So yes, I feel like, like they do for sure lead my business, but also I could be better at utilizing that, if that makes sense.
Kaelynn Priest: I mean, I feel like anyone could say that. I don't want you to, like, feel like you're not, 'cause I know that you are. And I also think, I actually love what you said, I do think there is some truth to if, you know, if you, if you... It's still a really good thing if you're s- if you can still feel connected with God through going to the temple. For me, I, there were years where I was like, "I don't get a lot out of reading the scriptures." I'm like, "Should I say that? I don't know if I should say that." But what I [00:40:00] got the most out of
was listening to
conference talks.
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm
Kaelynn Priest: Those, for a season, spoke to me more. I'm in a season right now where the scriptures are speaking to me, which I'm really grateful for. But I'm really grateful to you for saying that and normalizing that sometimes it doesn't look like the cookie cutter way that, I don't know if we think it should look that way or, you know. It, I think revelation, in any form, is good and important and equally valuable. Tell me what you think about that
Kenna Barber: Oh, for sure. Well, and I love that you said that sometimes conference talks are what speak to you more, and in a way, that is like modern-day scripture, right? Yeah. That's coming from our prophets today, whereas the scriptures were coming from ancient prophets. And so I don't think it's necessarily bad at all to, you know, focus on that for a time, and for that to be where you're getting inspiration and revelation and ideas.[00:41:00]
But then also, like, the scriptures are there too, and, you know, we need to kind of look towards both to get what we need in certain times of our lives
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah, for sure. So good.
Are there any parts of being an LDS artist that people don't get to see publicly that you wish, either you wish that they saw or that you wanna share because we don't get to see it very often?
Kenna Barber: Hmm. That's a good question. I feel like because of social media, we see more of the behind the scenes. But I think it's just hard to put into words like the real... It's like sometimes what all went into a painting. You know? Like I'll sit down and write about it afterwards, but I think it's hard to put like all of my thoughts into words and like really like sometimes get the full meaning [00:42:00] across, if that makes sense
Kaelynn Priest: It's like there were hours and hours that went into this piece of work, and maybe, like, different versions and variations of it. Like you said, you're doing a digital version, you are doing a physical version that probably... There's probably lots of versions
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm.
Kaelynn Priest: each painting that gets created. Is there anything that you wish people appreciated more about LDS artists?
Kenna Barber: I feel like we are very blessed in our church to have a lot of artwork. And so sometimes, yeah, I feel like people don't see how much time and dedication goes into one particular piece. And a question I get all the time when I tell people I'm an artist or online is like, "Oh, how long did that take you?"
And I'll be like, "Oh, well, this one took me, like, 10 hours. This one took me five," like blah, blah, blah. And so you can say, like, how much time it took you, [00:43:00] but, like, that's the time I was just sitting down painting that particular piece, but it's like years went into, like, building up that skill to be able to do that.
And when I'm not painting it, I'm still thinking about it.
Like, right now I'm working on a piece and I'm like, "Ooh, what if I did this?" Or you know, it's, like, always on my mind. And so I feel like so much more, like, time and dedication goes into it than people might think. And I feel like now just with the rise of AI art, I feel like it makes it harder too because people see so much more of, like, the Christian art that, you know, is popular right now.
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah
Kenna Barber: Whereas, you know, a couple years ago, even, like, 10, 15, 20 years ago, it's like you would just see the stuff that was in church buildings, in Desert Book. That was kind of it, in those, like, church manuals, you know?
But now we get on Pinterest and it's full of p- images,
Kaelynn Priest: yeah
Kenna Barber: which is wonderful, but also kind of makes it hard to stick out in a [00:44:00] way.
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah. Will you say a little bit about that? I was hoping AI would come up because I feel like it's one of those things that I don't think a lot of people have awareness that how much AI art is being created. I'm just
Kenna Barber: Yeah
Kaelynn Priest: what your take is. What do you wish more people knew about this?
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I was actually thinking about this yesterday. I was listening to your episode that you did about your plot twist,
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah
Kenna Barber: and I wasn't thinking about it in sense of your business too. It's like, that really affected that industry as well. So it's so interesting to see how it's definitely done good in some senses, but it also has created a lot of hard things too.
But yeah, I feel like a lot of people don't realize when something is AI. I mean, like even in our family group chat the other day, they made this little, like, AI picture of my niece, and they were like, "Oh, I thought that was real." Or, like a couple weeks ago, they, like, AI'd this celebrity into their picture on a [00:45:00] vacation, and they're like, "Look who I met."
And we're like, "Oh my gosh, that's crazy." And then they sent us, like, the real picture of them, like, holding their arms out with a space in between. We're like, "Oh, okay. We just got fooled by AI. Cool." So it is just a crazy world we live in right now, where you can create whatever pictures, videos you basically want to through AI.
Kaelynn Priest: I feel like I just, I feel like I want more people to be more aware of the fact that the artwork they're investing in could be AI,
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm. Yeah
Kaelynn Priest: do a personal check-in if that matters to you or, you know, if you're like, "If it looks the way that I want it to look, cool." You know? But I just think
Kenna Barber: Right
Kaelynn Priest: around how much AI artwork is being created, especially of the Savior, I think
Kenna Barber: Yeah.
Kaelynn Priest: to be aware of.
And I'm also
curious if you can tell us some, like, instant tells. Like, how can you tell if it's AI artwork or not?
Kenna Barber: yeah. Yeah, so a big way you can [00:46:00] tell is, I don't know. It's hard to describe, but when you see, like, pictures side by side, you can tell. And so if a picture looks, like, just a little bit too perfect or smooth in a way, that's a big way to tell. And then even sometimes AI art has more of this, like, like yellowy glow to it,
Kaelynn Priest: Yep
Kenna Barber: 'cause sometimes, like, there'll be, like, a watercolor picture, so it's not, like, that smooth.
It has more texture. But it still just has that, like, AI look, and so it's really hard to describe. But yeah, there's a lot out there, and I've had conversations on my Instagram with people about it, and I would say the majority is like, "Oh, no, I don't wanna invest in that." But there are some people who are like, "Well, no, like, if I like the way it looks, if it makes me feel something, I don't care.
Like, then I'm gonna put that on my wall." And that's totally fine.
Kaelynn Priest: Sure
Kenna Barber: I think the biggest thing is just being aware of it. And so, [00:47:00] yeah, I feel like we just need to be transparent about how our artwork is being made. And for me, especially if it's a picture of the Savior, I would prefer it to be coming from a real human who has a testimony and who is putting, you know, thought and energy behind it, and prayer, too.
Whereas, like, AI is not praying about the picture they're creating, but real artists are. So that's a big difference for me
Kaelynn Priest: I think for me it just kind of caused me to pause and be like, "Oh, I haven't really thought about where is the artwork coming from," and kind of deciding if that matters to me, right? Like-
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm.
Kaelynn Priest: And I feel like just even like pausing to think about it for a second is like, "Oh, no, I would actually appreciate knowing that there's a story behind this, knowing that there's a real human behind it," like you said.
That there's a, a, you know, artist who has spent years and years and years of training [00:48:00] to gain these skills that I'm supporting when I make this investment. I just think it's good to just pause for a sec and do a
Kenna Barber: Yeah.
Kaelynn Priest: because there is so much artwork of the Savior out there now that I feel like I know exactly what you're saying.
Like, once you see it enough, you can't unsee it. It's easier to
tell pretty quickly if it's AI or not.
I was... I think there was an artist, I think there was an artist that was talking about, like, if their, like, hands are shaped weird or if they're, like, cut off at weird places or if there's other animals. If there's sheep, like, they might have, like, their legs and feet don't match up perfectly. So I was
Kenna Barber: Yes
Kaelynn Priest: "Oh my gosh, I will be very much more mindful of that." And, and for me, because I have a small business and it's important to me to support small businesses, like, I will be careful about who I'm buying artwork from.
And I do wanna support actual artists and make sure that they make it through the A- AI [00:49:00] economy. So
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Kaelynn Priest: my
Kenna Barber: Another good way too is, like, if you see something on Pinterest or somewhere, like try to find the artist's Instagram, because chances are they're creating content of them actually creating, of their process, of them, you know, physically painting.
Kaelynn Priest: in the video.
Kenna Barber: Uh-huh. Yeah. So that is a really good way too, is like, okay, you see this painting, you really like it, but then try to find like the direct source and the artist, and try to look for their process.
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah
Kenna Barber: I feel like it's always... Well, lately there's that trend of like flipping the painting around on those like really big canvases. I feel like a good majority of the, like, art accounts that are doing those are AI. So not all the time, but, uh, that is a definite trend I have noticed is that's kind of like the marketing approach they are taking more.
Yeah.
Kaelynn Priest: I'm thinking of a specific piece of artwork [00:50:00] that Nate bought for me. It was probably 18 months ago, and it's... This was before AI was, like, a common conversation. It was for sure out there.
Kenna Barber: Yeah.
Kaelynn Priest: And we got it in the mail. It was, like, a huge print, too, and we unrolled it, and it was like, does this look so weird?"
Like, both of us were looking at it like, "I can't quite put a finger on it, but it doesn't feel right to me." It was almost like the, background colors were more cool, and it was just the back of the Savior walking away. It was like his tones were warm, and his hair was, like, this weird red color. And I was like, "I don't think
Kenna Barber: Something's off
Kaelynn Priest: actual artwork."
That was the first I'd even been exposed to that, and then I was like, "Oh, cool. We spent, like, a lot of money on this giant print that I don't really even wanna have in my home 'cause I don't like to look at it." But now I'm like, "Oh my gosh, that was totally AI." Now I know.
Kenna Barber: Yeah.
Kaelynn Priest: I learned that the hard way.
Kenna Barber: Yeah, now you know. You're like, "Oh, okay, that's why." Yes. Yeah, and sometimes it will just [00:51:00] feel off. And so yeah, it's like there's a reason. It's 'cause it was created by a computer, not a human.
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah,
Kenna Barber: Yeah
Kaelynn Priest: I'm glad that came up 'cause I was like, I don't wanna like, the negative energy into this conversation, but I do think
Kenna Barber: Yeah.
Kaelynn Priest: to be mindful of
Kenna Barber: Yeah, and it is hard to talk about. Like, I... It's always something that's kind of in the back of my mind, but I don't always wanna talk about on Instagram or social media because I don't want it to come off negative or,
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah
Kenna Barber: I don't know, this thing that's terrible or you should completely avoid or, you know, that like all A- AI is bad.
'Cause I think it can be used for some good, but it's when it's, you know, replacing our actual voice, our actual thoughts and, you know, like what we're putting out creativity, creatively in the world, then that's when I'm like, "Okay, like, let's think for ourselves. Let's,
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah
Kenna Barber: our own, our own way, things that way."
But if [00:52:00] it can give me a recipe and, you know... Like, ideally it could do my dishes and my laundry for me, but you know what? If it can just make me a grocery list, I'll take that too
Kaelynn Priest: That's so good. Yeah, it's like, as much as we love how much faster AI makes things, sometimes, like, let's make it slow. It's really okay if it's slow, if it takes
Kenna Barber: For sure
Kaelynn Priest: it's, like, meal planning. I...
Kenna Barber: Yeah, I'm like,
Kaelynn Priest: that I'm like,
Kenna Barber: that's a good use for it."
Kaelynn Priest: needs to be this difficult."
Kenna Barber: Yes. Yeah. Well, my husband, I said he's a teacher. He works at, in a junior high, and so he totally sees the effects of AI too
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah.
Kenna Barber: in a different way of like these kids like have a hard time thinking for themselves because they can just go to this and be like, "Please write me a five-page paper."
And then he reads it and he's like, "There's no way that you came up with this." And so yeah, it's been really interesting to see how it's affecting, you know, a lot of different areas of our lives.[00:53:00]
Kaelynn Priest: In good ways and in ways that we are learning
Kenna Barber: Yes. Hi.
Kaelynn Priest: actually are, right?
Kenna Barber: Yeah
Kaelynn Priest: My last question for you is there any last thing on your mind for... Maybe let's say this is advice specifically for an artist who's listening to this episode. What do you wish you could tell her?
Kenna Barber: Hmm. I feel like the thing that comes to me first is just to go for it, because I feel like, oh, there's so many people out there who have ideas, who feel called to do something, but they're just scared or they don't know the first step. Or maybe they know the first step, but they don't know the 10th step, and so they get stuck and they don't, you know, actually go for it.
And so I feel like you just have to do it. Like, if you feel called to do something, like, just go for it. You're never gonna feel ready. You're never gonna feel like it's the right time or you're prepared enough for it, so you just have to start. Yeah, that's the thing I'd say
Kaelynn Priest: If you had to recommend like a [00:54:00] first action step for her that takes five minutes that would move the needle for her, what would you recommend?
Kenna Barber: Hmm. I feel like it depends on what you're wanting to do. But I feel like starting to post on Instagram is really scary for some people, and so I would say that's a good first step is, like, make the account and make your fi- first post, and just get that out there. And so then, like, sometimes that's the scariest part,
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah.
Kenna Barber: start that,
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah
Kenna Barber: and then it can only go up from there
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah. say like... I'm imagining a lot of ladies who I've talked to recently who are like, "I made the account. I have the piece of content to post, and I'm stuck there." What, like, bridge would you give her, like mindset or mantra to help her just do it?
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm. Ooh. I don't know. I'd say you just have to do it. What I would do is I would, like, text my [00:55:00] close family and friends. I'd be like, "Hey, will you guys all go hype up this post I'm about to do?" So you feel like there's, like, something going on there, 'cause I feel like a lot of people are scared of either just it being crickets, like no one's gonna know, no one's gonna see it, or being judged or, you know, someone saying something or having whatever thoughts about it.
And so I feel like if you can have people in your corner to hype you up and build up your confidence, I feel like that will help a lot
Kaelynn Priest: I love that. Yeah, I think that's a good point. It's like maybe the, maybe... I'm thinking about myself. started new accounts a couple of times, but like the first time you put the post out there, it's like I'm not so much scared of it flopping, in air quotes. Flopping can mean a lot of different things, right?
Kenna Barber: Yeah
Kaelynn Priest: I'm scared of it being seen flopping, right? Like, I'm scared
Kenna Barber: Yep.
Kaelynn Priest: noticing that it tanked. That's actually what I'm more scared of. [00:56:00] So eventually you just get to a point where you just try to not make it mean anything about you, and you just keep posting anyway, and you just say, "I'm gonna do that every day for the next five days." And it's, I do think it's a little bit of, like, exposure therapy. Like, you just have to do it so you can show your nervous system you're not gonna die.
Kenna Barber: Right. Like, okay
Kaelynn Priest: Nothing's on fire. Nothing's an emergency. And then your nervous system can kinda get used to, kinda recalibrate to that.
Kenna Barber: Yeah, for sure.
Kaelynn Priest: good.
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm. Yeah
Kaelynn Priest: last thoughts on your mind that you'd love to share?
Kenna Barber: Mm, I'd just say, like, if you have a dream, like no matter how small or how big it is, just go for it, and just set small goals for yourself. And yeah just do it, and pray about it, and yeah, I feel like... Oh, one other thought I had when you were saying that is I feel like we all are so scared of being seen trying.
Like,
Kaelynn Priest: Mm-hmm.
Kenna Barber: we see someone trying [00:57:00] to start a business or a podcast or be an influencer, like that's like almost embarrassing. But if they have 100,000 followers, we're like, "Oh, they're killing it. Like, they're doing awesome. Like, this is amazing." But no one wants to be in that beginning stages, right? It's so hard to try and to learn and be seen doing all of that.
Kaelynn Priest: Yeah
Kenna Barber: But everyone has to start somewhere. So even if you have five followers, then like you just gotta keep going, 'cause the only way to get to what you want is to try
Kaelynn Priest: Yep. We all started there at one point.
Kenna Barber: Mm-hmm. Some of us multiple times.
Kaelynn Priest: Yes. of us on multiple occasions
Kenna Barber: Yep. Or if you, yeah, rebrand and start a new account or whatever, like- Yep ... it's always changing. But yeah
Kaelynn Priest: good. You're amazing. Thank you so much for this.
Kenna Barber: Oh, well, thank you. You're amazing, and I love being part of all your pivots along the way
Kaelynn Priest: [00:58:00] You have been a part of all my pivots.
